Comments on: She Was Asking For It (or ‘You Can’t Walk Around With Your Legs Hanging Open Like the Doors to a Church’) http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/ If you oppose her, it will be your downfall [-Ptah Hotep] Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:23:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Jacob Ward http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-207 Jacob Ward Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:34:07 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-207 (please don't kill me, I'm well aware you're ill and would anyway have had better things to do than find Latin dictionaries :)) (please don’t kill me, I’m well aware you’re ill and would anyway have had better things to do than find Latin dictionaries :) )

]]> By: Jacob Ward http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-206 Jacob Ward Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:33:28 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-206 And you forget - I wrote that on Friday; you've had three whole days to get a dictionary. Honestly Cait, it's just lazyness :P And you forget – I wrote that on Friday; you’ve had three whole days to get a dictionary. Honestly Cait, it’s just lazyness :P

]]> By: Caitlin http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-203 Caitlin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:23:29 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-203 Probably. But you forget - I am not in my house, I am in my <i>room</i>. With no plans of leaving any time soon either. Probably. But you forget – I am not in my house, I am in my room. With no plans of leaving any time soon either.

]]> By: Jacob Ward http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-201 Jacob Ward Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:19:56 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-201 Surely you must have a Latin dictionary somewhere in the house? Shock horror. Surely you must have a Latin dictionary somewhere in the house? Shock horror.

]]> By: Caitlin http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-199 Caitlin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:16:38 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-199 Yup, agree to disagree. Oh Jakey, sure, I'd have known what you meant by tempora mutant *sigh* :P Yup, agree to disagree.

Oh Jakey, sure, I’d have known what you meant by tempora mutant *sigh* :P

]]> By: Jacob Ward http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-197 Jacob Ward Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:14:26 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-197 That's why I used 'mutant' (present continuous - 'the times are changing') rather than 'mutaverant' (perfect - 'the times have changed'). Things take a lot of time in parliament...in the fullness of time I'm sure this measure will be introduced. I added that because I came across it after I'd posted the comment and I thought you might find it interesting. Let's put it to bed now eh? :P That’s why I used ‘mutant’ (present continuous – ‘the times are changing’) rather than ‘mutaverant’ (perfect – ‘the times have changed’). Things take a lot of time in parliament…in the fullness of time I’m sure this measure will be introduced.
I added that because I came across it after I’d posted the comment and I thought you might find it interesting.
Let’s put it to bed now eh? :P

]]> By: Caitlin http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-194 Caitlin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:06:45 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-194 Jakey - generally you don't continue an argument straight after you agree to disagree! But regarding your link: It was written in November 2007, and was about <i>plans</i>. Is there evidence of this having been imposed? I hope so... "Ministers will <b>outline plans</b> this week to boost the rate of convictions in rape cases by countering myths that may sway juries in cases of sexual assault." "Vera Baird, QC, the Solicitor-General, <b>wants</b> juries in rape trials to be issued with “myth-busting” packs" "Details of the proposal <b>have not been finalised</b> because there is some concern that pretrial information given by the prosecution could be regarded as prejudicial." "But the proposals have <b>run into opposition from judges and lawyers</b> who said that they would make little difference to the conviction rate." [emphasis all my own] Need I continue? Jakey – generally you don’t continue an argument straight after you agree to disagree!

But regarding your link:
It was written in November 2007, and was about plans. Is there evidence of this having been imposed? I hope so…

“Ministers will outline plans this week to boost the rate of convictions in rape cases by countering myths that may sway juries in cases of sexual assault.”
“Vera Baird, QC, the Solicitor-General, wants juries in rape trials to be issued with “myth-busting” packs”
“Details of the proposal have not been finalised because there is some concern that pretrial information given by the prosecution could be regarded as prejudicial.”
“But the proposals have run into opposition from judges and lawyers who said that they would make little difference to the conviction rate.”
[emphasis all my own]

Need I continue?

]]> By: Caitlin http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-192 Caitlin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:00:17 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-192 That's a powerful story - and she sounds like an incredibly brave woman. I can't say that I'm an expert on rape, but I believe that the psychological damage inflicted by being raped, as AG points out in her poem, never leaves you. All of the accounts that I have read by women express their subsequent fear of men, or distrust of people generally. It is a terrible, terrible thing to do to someone. I think it's great that you made sure that your daughters could protect themselves - it shouldn't be down to women to have to protect themselves, but until society changes its attitude to women, some form of self-defence is pretty much a necessity for women. That’s a powerful story – and she sounds like an incredibly brave woman. I can’t say that I’m an expert on rape, but I believe that the psychological damage inflicted by being raped, as AG points out in her poem, never leaves you. All of the accounts that I have read by women express their subsequent fear of men, or distrust of people generally. It is a terrible, terrible thing to do to someone.

I think it’s great that you made sure that your daughters could protect themselves – it shouldn’t be down to women to have to protect themselves, but until society changes its attitude to women, some form of self-defence is pretty much a necessity for women.

]]> By: Julaybib Ayoub http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-188 Julaybib Ayoub Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:46:03 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-188 Regarding poem by AG... When I was in my early twenties (now 44), I was asked to read out a bit of nonsense for a pirate radio station. Next on mic was a woman giving out info about a local rape crisis centre or something - I don't remember exactly what she said (this was 20 years ago), but I do remember her demeanour. I knew, through a friend, she had been raped twice in as many months. She was a real mess. Prior to this, I had been working in mental health, but nothing prepared me for the level of mental anguish this lady was experiencing - I would guess 24/7. It took a lot of courage for her to come to that gig, even with a friend on each arm, but I'm glad she did. It changed me and inspired me. And it's one reason why I sent both my daughters to karate lessons. Regarding poem by AG… When I was in my early twenties (now 44), I was asked to read out a bit of nonsense for a pirate radio station. Next on mic was a woman giving out info about a local rape crisis centre or something – I don’t remember exactly what she said (this was 20 years ago), but I do remember her demeanour. I knew, through a friend, she had been raped twice in as many months. She was a real mess.

Prior to this, I had been working in mental health, but nothing prepared me for the level of mental anguish this lady was experiencing – I would guess 24/7. It took a lot of courage for her to come to that gig, even with a friend on each arm, but I’m glad she did. It changed me and inspired me. And it’s one reason why I sent both my daughters to karate lessons.

]]> By: Jacob Ward http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/she-was-asking-for-it-or-you-cant-walk-around-with-your-legs-hanging-open-like-the-doors-to-a-church/#comment-183 Jacob Ward Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:12:36 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=33#comment-183 Also, tempora mutant - <a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article2943263.ece" rel="nofollow">link</a> Also, tempora mutant – link

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