Comments on: A Celebration, A Moment of Despair and A Fall Out at Work http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/a-celebration-a-moment-of-despair-and-a-fall-out-at-work/ If you oppose her, it will be your downfall [-Ptah Hotep] Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:23:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Caitlin http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/a-celebration-a-moment-of-despair-and-a-fall-out-at-work/#comment-65 Caitlin Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:16:43 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-65 Isn't Moore good at raising awareness? No? Matt, there are TONS of female comedians. But, unsurprisingly, it's apparently more difficult for them to become as well known as the many male ones that grace our screens. On mock the week & hignfy I have NEVER seen more than one woman...and it's almost always the same one or two that they invite. Jo Brand has been on mtw, I think. But more often than not, it's men. Surprise! I'll still listen to Michael Jackson's early music. He was very talented. But he's not had good press because of his court cases, not so much for his appearance (until, I concede, he radically changed it. But before, he wasn't automatically judged on his appearance and his lifestyle. He was judged on his adorable voice.) As for Bush - yeah. No words. I just...it's just...so wrong. Isn’t Moore good at raising awareness? No?
Matt, there are TONS of female comedians. But, unsurprisingly, it’s apparently more difficult for them to become as well known as the many male ones that grace our screens. On mock the week & hignfy I have NEVER seen more than one woman…and it’s almost always the same one or two that they invite. Jo Brand has been on mtw, I think. But more often than not, it’s men.
Surprise!
I’ll still listen to Michael Jackson’s early music. He was very talented. But he’s not had good press because of his court cases, not so much for his appearance (until, I concede, he radically changed it. But before, he wasn’t automatically judged on his appearance and his lifestyle. He was judged on his adorable voice.)
As for Bush – yeah. No words. I just…it’s just…so wrong.

]]> By: Matt Gates http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/a-celebration-a-moment-of-despair-and-a-fall-out-at-work/#comment-63 Matt Gates Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:30:07 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-63 A middling response: =) Interesting stuff, I reckon there's quite a few famous (and brilliant) female guests on both Mock the Week and NIGNFY although I take the point that there are less than the male guests- perhaps there are simply less women that want to be/are in comedy than men? Another example in the 'Winehouse debate' is Michael Jackson- he doesn't exactly get good press (but then he is, franky, nuts) I dunno about this one either, kinda in the middle fo both of ye on that one! President Bush publically agreeing with torture tactics like waterboarding and cold cell is ridiculous! Ok, i'm aware this is a big ol' debate about torture tactics and i'm kinda uncertain of my stance too. If torture is the only way to get a terrorist to tell where he's hid the bomb in a shopping centre, for example, is it justified? Saying that, the Brits (but the Americans more so) tend to pull in a lot of innocent people too- that's not right either! Tough stuff. And finally, I think Michael Moore should join the army - he might be useful for something then at least! A middling response: =)

Interesting stuff, I reckon there’s quite a few famous (and brilliant) female guests on both Mock the Week and NIGNFY although I take the point that there are less than the male guests- perhaps there are simply less women that want to be/are in comedy than men?

Another example in the ‘Winehouse debate’ is Michael Jackson- he doesn’t exactly get good press (but then he is, franky, nuts) I dunno about this one either, kinda in the middle fo both of ye on that one!

President Bush publically agreeing with torture tactics like waterboarding and cold cell is ridiculous! Ok, i’m aware this is a big ol’ debate about torture tactics and i’m kinda uncertain of my stance too. If torture is the only way to get a terrorist to tell where he’s hid the bomb in a shopping centre, for example, is it justified? Saying that, the Brits (but the Americans more so) tend to pull in a lot of innocent people too- that’s not right either! Tough stuff.

And finally, I think Michael Moore should join the army – he might be useful for something then at least!

]]> By: Jacob Ward http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/a-celebration-a-moment-of-despair-and-a-fall-out-at-work/#comment-60 Jacob Ward Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:36:37 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-60 Don't be so quick to think the worst of everything I say then :P I wasn't suggesting he should experience waterboarding; no one deserves that, not even him. My point was that he might reconsider if he were to understand what the experience is like. It's like the point Michael Moore made in Fahrenheit 9/11; only one child of a senator is serving in the armed forces. If the decisions they made meant that their kids would be going off to war then they might have thought a little harder about it. Winehouse wins countless awards for her music, but it's not for everyone; I personally don't like most of it, but that's got nothing to do with my dislike for her antics. It's a matter of taste. Paparazzi will photograph anything that will get them a pile of money from the tabloids, which will frankly print photos of any celebrity, just as long as they're in a compromising position. I don't think gender is what they're considering when they're photographing someone famous being dragged home in a bag because they're so drunk they can't stand. Frankly if someone's stupid enough to read The Sun or Hello instead of a real newspaper, then I don't think their opinion really counts for anything anyway. I won't get fired, everyone likes me and management are always telling us to push Gift Aid numbers up. If I questioned every ridiculous thing people said at the castle/AoC then I'd definitely get fired, coz it would be every five minutes (we get a lot of very ignorant Americans in who say the stupidest things about Lewes). I really hate this weather -.- Don’t be so quick to think the worst of everything I say then :P I wasn’t suggesting he should experience waterboarding; no one deserves that, not even him. My point was that he might reconsider if he were to understand what the experience is like. It’s like the point Michael Moore made in Fahrenheit 9/11; only one child of a senator is serving in the armed forces. If the decisions they made meant that their kids would be going off to war then they might have thought a little harder about it.
Winehouse wins countless awards for her music, but it’s not for everyone; I personally don’t like most of it, but that’s got nothing to do with my dislike for her antics. It’s a matter of taste. Paparazzi will photograph anything that will get them a pile of money from the tabloids, which will frankly print photos of any celebrity, just as long as they’re in a compromising position. I don’t think gender is what they’re considering when they’re photographing someone famous being dragged home in a bag because they’re so drunk they can’t stand. Frankly if someone’s stupid enough to read The Sun or Hello instead of a real newspaper, then I don’t think their opinion really counts for anything anyway.
I won’t get fired, everyone likes me and management are always telling us to push Gift Aid numbers up. If I questioned every ridiculous thing people said at the castle/AoC then I’d definitely get fired, coz it would be every five minutes (we get a lot of very ignorant Americans in who say the stupidest things about Lewes).
I really hate this weather -.-

]]> By: Caitlin http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/a-celebration-a-moment-of-despair-and-a-fall-out-at-work/#comment-59 Caitlin Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:44:56 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-59 Perhaps they were bad examples? But you can't deny that female musicians are targeted a lot for their appearance and/or their lifestyles, while male musicians generally aren't - perhaps Doherty is an exception, but even he is glorified by a lot of magazines/people for his awful lifestyle, being awarded things like Sexiest Male and Coolest Star over the years, despite everyone knowing how much drugs he does... Also, I doubt many people commented on Elvis' condition and then moved from that to the assumption that that his music is crap. It's ridiculous. Ah, see I think it's important to question people if they express beliefs that are absurd...I mean, I don't do it often but who knows, maybe he went home and thought about it. Maybe. I hope you weren't hugely rude to the anti-gift-aid person...you don't get paid much but you do get paid, and I thought you enjoyed it? Hey ho. The Bush thing is just ridiculous. He should never have the power to overrule something as important as that. But no Jakey, that doesn't mean he should experience it himself. That's a terrible thing to say. [& how often do I say that to you? Maybe I'll start keeping count...] Perhaps they were bad examples? But you can’t deny that female musicians are targeted a lot for their appearance and/or their lifestyles, while male musicians generally aren’t – perhaps Doherty is an exception, but even he is glorified by a lot of magazines/people for his awful lifestyle, being awarded things like Sexiest Male and Coolest Star over the years, despite everyone knowing how much drugs he does…
Also, I doubt many people commented on Elvis’ condition and then moved from that to the assumption that that his music is crap. It’s ridiculous.
Ah, see I think it’s important to question people if they express beliefs that are absurd…I mean, I don’t do it often but who knows, maybe he went home and thought about it. Maybe.
I hope you weren’t hugely rude to the anti-gift-aid person…you don’t get paid much but you do get paid, and I thought you enjoyed it? Hey ho.
The Bush thing is just ridiculous. He should never have the power to overrule something as important as that. But no Jakey, that doesn’t mean he should experience it himself. That’s a terrible thing to say. [& how often do I say that to you? Maybe I'll start keeping count...]

]]> By: A Celebration, A Moment of Despair and A Fall Out at Work-Download Music http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/a-celebration-a-moment-of-despair-and-a-fall-out-at-work/#comment-57 A Celebration, A Moment of Despair and A Fall Out at Work-Download Music Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:37:30 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-57 [...] omi wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptI won’t listen to his music’ or ‘God, Elvis let himself go, I can’t bear to listen to his music now’ but female singers/bands are instantly judged on their appearance and their lifestyles. At some point, sure, their talent is considered … [...] [...] omi wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptI won’t listen to his music’ or ‘God, Elvis let himself go, I can’t bear to listen to his music now’ but female singers/bands are instantly judged on their appearance and their lifestyles. At some point, sure, their talent is considered … [...]

]]> By: Jacob Ward http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/a-celebration-a-moment-of-despair-and-a-fall-out-at-work/#comment-56 Jacob Ward Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:25:45 +0000 http://thetokenfeminist.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-56 I think at the time people commented on Elvis' physical expansion with disdain. I don't think it has anything to do with gender; Pete Doherty is slated in the press as well for similar actions. I personally strongly dislike both specimens as besides being very against the use of 'recreational' drugs I think they're being totally irresponsible given their large numbers of young impressionable fans. I try not to argue with customers on matters of taste as it comes across as rude, though as regards principle (like refusing to fill in a Gift Aid form) I can be quite rude, as I said yesterday. It's probably quite a bad idea, but hey, I don't get paid much anyway. Glad to see that Bush link has aroused emotions from all quarters (most people replied to that email I sent round). As I said to Sean, perhaps he wouldn't be so keen on waterboarding if he were to experience it himself. If only... I think at the time people commented on Elvis’ physical expansion with disdain. I don’t think it has anything to do with gender; Pete Doherty is slated in the press as well for similar actions. I personally strongly dislike both specimens as besides being very against the use of ‘recreational’ drugs I think they’re being totally irresponsible given their large numbers of young impressionable fans.
I try not to argue with customers on matters of taste as it comes across as rude, though as regards principle (like refusing to fill in a Gift Aid form) I can be quite rude, as I said yesterday. It’s probably quite a bad idea, but hey, I don’t get paid much anyway.
Glad to see that Bush link has aroused emotions from all quarters (most people replied to that email I sent round). As I said to Sean, perhaps he wouldn’t be so keen on waterboarding if he were to experience it himself.
If only…

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